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		<title>By: Anna Marie Hopewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Marie Hopewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. Amos Love Says:
&quot;Just wondering how you reconcile the use of the word “leader” in the ekklesia,...
If someone calls themself a “leader”
or thinks they are a “leader;”

Are they a “disciple of Christ?”

Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus.&quot;

Wow. Really? Amos, if you have such reservations about men or women who call themselves leaders - why would you even be reading a blog written by such a person? Much less posting a comment? I find this a strange post - could you clarify what the point of your theological lesson really was/is?

...because in every structure there are people PLACED in roles of authority to govern people: Moses, Abraham, etc.. would you argue that none of these were leaders under God? And so therefore, didn&#039;t need guidance, help or resources in HOW BEST to lead? [Which of course, was the point of Jenni&#039;s original blog] Jethro&#039;s advice to Moses in Exodus 18 seems to contradict your thought that if people are disciples of Christ, they cannot also be a leader. There was no confusion who God&#039;s leader/leaders were in that time period - or now.

Because we have tools, such as books, available to us now, to help us in that role, does that mean we are somehow theologically-inept? Violating scripture simply by calling ourselves leaders?

The truth is whether you name yourself a layman, a servant, a slave, others will always have some other label or tag for you to wear. But there is no sin in defining your FUNCTION in the house of God, because Paul himself states these functions in his descriptions of the five-fold ministry.

I believe you mean well. I also believe that Jenni and others like her, WOULD describe themselves as servants of God or &#039;servant-leaders&#039; which is the more modern terminology. But ultimately, they have a function which requires them to lead. It would be good not to get too caught up in descriptive phrases or language. Instead, it would be nice to help encourage them in their callings, rather than suggesting they go &#039;search for the truth&#039; - which in itself seems a little judgmental and impolite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Amos Love Says:<br />
&#8220;Just wondering how you reconcile the use of the word “leader” in the ekklesia,&#8230;<br />
If someone calls themself a “leader”<br />
or thinks they are a “leader;”</p>
<p>Are they a “disciple of Christ?”</p>
<p>Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow. Really? Amos, if you have such reservations about men or women who call themselves leaders &#8211; why would you even be reading a blog written by such a person? Much less posting a comment? I find this a strange post &#8211; could you clarify what the point of your theological lesson really was/is?</p>
<p>&#8230;because in every structure there are people PLACED in roles of authority to govern people: Moses, Abraham, etc.. would you argue that none of these were leaders under God? And so therefore, didn&#8217;t need guidance, help or resources in HOW BEST to lead? [Which of course, was the point of Jenni's original blog] Jethro&#8217;s advice to Moses in Exodus 18 seems to contradict your thought that if people are disciples of Christ, they cannot also be a leader. There was no confusion who God&#8217;s leader/leaders were in that time period &#8211; or now.</p>
<p>Because we have tools, such as books, available to us now, to help us in that role, does that mean we are somehow theologically-inept? Violating scripture simply by calling ourselves leaders?</p>
<p>The truth is whether you name yourself a layman, a servant, a slave, others will always have some other label or tag for you to wear. But there is no sin in defining your FUNCTION in the house of God, because Paul himself states these functions in his descriptions of the five-fold ministry.</p>
<p>I believe you mean well. I also believe that Jenni and others like her, WOULD describe themselves as servants of God or &#8217;servant-leaders&#8217; which is the more modern terminology. But ultimately, they have a function which requires them to lead. It would be good not to get too caught up in descriptive phrases or language. Instead, it would be nice to help encourage them in their callings, rather than suggesting they go &#8217;search for the truth&#8217; &#8211; which in itself seems a little judgmental and impolite.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Amos Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Amos Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenni

Just wondering how you reconcile the use of the word “leader” in the ekklesia, male or female,
with what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.

The word “leader”seems like a “high place.” Yes?
Jesus always took and recommended the “low place.”

Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of no reputation
and took on the form of a servant.
Php 2:7

Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples “NOT”
to call themselves master/“leaders”
for you have one master/&quot;leader” the Christ.

King James Version -
Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.

The Interlinear Bible -
Nor be called leaders,
for one is your leader the Christ.

Phillips Modern English -
you must not let people call you leaders,
you have only one leader, Christ.

Today&#039;s English Version -
nor should you be called leader.
your one and only leader is the Messiah.

The Amplified-
you must not be called masters ( leaders )
for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ.

Jesus told His disciples not to be called &quot;leaders&quot; and none did.

Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ...

Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus,
the servants of Jesus Christ...

Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you,
a servant of Christ...

Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God...

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God...

2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant...

His disciples &quot;all&quot; called themselves &quot;servants,&quot;
none called themselves &quot;leaders.&quot; None? None.
None called themselves &quot;servant-leader.&quot; None.

If someone calls themself a &quot;leader&quot;
or thinks they are a &quot;leader;&quot;

Are they a &quot;disciple of Christ?&quot;

Be blessed in your search for truth... Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenni</p>
<p>Just wondering how you reconcile the use of the word “leader” in the ekklesia, male or female,<br />
with what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.</p>
<p>The word “leader”seems like a “high place.” Yes?<br />
Jesus always took and recommended the “low place.”</p>
<p>Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of no reputation<br />
and took on the form of a servant.<br />
Php 2:7</p>
<p>Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples “NOT”<br />
to call themselves master/“leaders”<br />
for you have one master/&#8221;leader” the Christ.</p>
<p>King James Version -<br />
Neither be ye called masters:<br />
for one is your Master, even Christ.</p>
<p>The Interlinear Bible -<br />
Nor be called leaders,<br />
for one is your leader the Christ.</p>
<p>Phillips Modern English -<br />
you must not let people call you leaders,<br />
you have only one leader, Christ.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s English Version -<br />
nor should you be called leader.<br />
your one and only leader is the Messiah.</p>
<p>The Amplified-<br />
you must not be called masters ( leaders )<br />
for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ.</p>
<p>Jesus told His disciples not to be called &#8220;leaders&#8221; and none did.</p>
<p>Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ&#8230;</p>
<p>Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus,<br />
the servants of Jesus Christ&#8230;</p>
<p>Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you,<br />
a servant of Christ&#8230;</p>
<p>Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God&#8230;</p>
<p>Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God&#8230;</p>
<p>2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant&#8230;</p>
<p>His disciples &#8220;all&#8221; called themselves &#8220;servants,&#8221;<br />
none called themselves &#8220;leaders.&#8221; None? None.<br />
None called themselves &#8220;servant-leader.&#8221; None.</p>
<p>If someone calls themself a &#8220;leader&#8221;<br />
or thinks they are a &#8220;leader;&#8221;</p>
<p>Are they a &#8220;disciple of Christ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Be blessed in your search for truth&#8230; Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>maggie pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this- I too loved gifted to lead- wow.  The other book I&#039;m currently reading on the topic is Lisa Bevere&#039;s  Fight Like a Girl- wow- excellent stuff.  Please keep me posted- I&#039;m fascinated and impacted greatly by this topic-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this- I too loved gifted to lead- wow.  The other book I&#8217;m currently reading on the topic is Lisa Bevere&#8217;s  Fight Like a Girl- wow- excellent stuff.  Please keep me posted- I&#8217;m fascinated and impacted greatly by this topic-</p>
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		<title>By: Latasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff...Glad I we follow each other on twitter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff&#8230;Glad I we follow each other on twitter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Rowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Rowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta get that first book. I LOVE John Maxwell. The man&#039;s a leadership genius!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta get that first book. I LOVE John Maxwell. The man&#8217;s a leadership genius!</p>
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		<title>By: sherry surratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherry surratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenni, great blog, and great book recommendations. I agree, I love Maxwell&#039;s 21 Most Powerful Minutes. I also love anything by Lencioni and Nancy Ortberg. My two favorites: The 3 Signs of a Miserable Job (Lencioni) and Rubberbands; Lessons in Non-Linear Leadership (Ortberg).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenni, great blog, and great book recommendations. I agree, I love Maxwell&#8217;s 21 Most Powerful Minutes. I also love anything by Lencioni and Nancy Ortberg. My two favorites: The 3 Signs of a Miserable Job (Lencioni) and Rubberbands; Lessons in Non-Linear Leadership (Ortberg).</p>
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		<title>By: pcase</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenni - I found this resource to be extremely helpful - a man or woman in leadership would find this a good read, I believe.

Leadership Passages: The Personal and Professional Transitions That Make or Break a Leader (Authors:  Dotlich, Noel and Walker)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenni &#8211; I found this resource to be extremely helpful &#8211; a man or woman in leadership would find this a good read, I believe.</p>
<p>Leadership Passages: The Personal and Professional Transitions That Make or Break a Leader (Authors:  Dotlich, Noel and Walker)</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jenni - it&#039;s Jen (Brasher) Dale - saw you have a blog - I do too but haven&#039;t done a lot with it lately! :) Been pondering women in leadership for quite a few years now and lately particularly the issue of humility in leadership which I&#039;m beginning to see as the key to true Christ-like leadership.  I&#039;m currently reading a biography of John Newton and some of his thoughts in addition to CJ Mahaney&#039;s book &quot;Humility, True Greatness&quot; have caused me to take a step back in many ways and reevaluate what my roles in general need to look like.....and particularly what humility looks like for women in leadership because I think that it plays out differently in some ways than it does for men....anyway - good thoughts! :) Interesting blog,
Blessings,
Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jenni &#8211; it&#8217;s Jen (Brasher) Dale &#8211; saw you have a blog &#8211; I do too but haven&#8217;t done a lot with it lately! <img src='http://www.jennicatron.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Been pondering women in leadership for quite a few years now and lately particularly the issue of humility in leadership which I&#8217;m beginning to see as the key to true Christ-like leadership.  I&#8217;m currently reading a biography of John Newton and some of his thoughts in addition to CJ Mahaney&#8217;s book &#8220;Humility, True Greatness&#8221; have caused me to take a step back in many ways and reevaluate what my roles in general need to look like&#8230;..and particularly what humility looks like for women in leadership because I think that it plays out differently in some ways than it does for men&#8230;.anyway &#8211; good thoughts! <img src='http://www.jennicatron.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Interesting blog,<br />
Blessings,<br />
Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni Catron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenni Catron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree, Marla.  There are not a lot of great examples for us.  It&#039;s a deep passion of mine to change this and to help develop women to be amazing leaders by being who God has uniquely created them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, Marla.  There are not a lot of great examples for us.  It&#8217;s a deep passion of mine to change this and to help develop women to be amazing leaders by being who God has uniquely created them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marla Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting resources. I was pondering women in leadership today, actually, and was thinking this: where do you see profiles of women who impact their world in either ministry or business and yet aren&#039;t portrayed as tough or that other word in the title of that book (1) ? Especially in Christian circles, there are very few role models of women working out their faith in a well-reasoned manner on the national stage. Just food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting resources. I was pondering women in leadership today, actually, and was thinking this: where do you see profiles of women who impact their world in either ministry or business and yet aren&#8217;t portrayed as tough or that other word in the title of that book (1) ? Especially in Christian circles, there are very few role models of women working out their faith in a well-reasoned manner on the national stage. Just food for thought.</p>
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